Fee charged but no new channel created

[SilverLenZ]

I was charged a $5.34 FEE when transferring SATS in from Strike app. WHY?
~$5.34 USD
Payment Hash cc932913e5382565fa01c149edcba848a1cc4909e93d80d8861b8a1dd7465bc6

[AnthonyRonning]

Because it costs money to open a lightning channel. We communicate this twice when receiving lightning will result in an on chain fee.

[SilverLenZ]

I didn't see any warning of having to open a channel. AND it did NOT create any lightning channel for me. I had 2 channels before and still after receiving.

[benthecarman]

If you can provide logs we can see what happened, otherwise we can only guess

[SilverLenZ]

If you can provide logs we can see what happened, otherwise we can only guess

How do I get LOGS?

I'm not a dev so I probably won't because to know how to get them without instructions.

[benthecarman]

It is in Settings > Emergency kit > Download logs, once you have it, just drag and drop it here

[SilverLenZ]

mutiny-logs.txt

[benthecarman]

Thanks, looks like infact you did not receive a channel from the LSP, seems like potentially a bug on their side for wanting to charge you for the channel when you did not need one.

Opened a PR that could be a fix for the issue on our side:
MutinyWallet/mutiny-node#978

[SilverLenZ]

Thanks, looks like infact you did not receive a channel from the LSP, seems like potentially a bug on their side for wanting to charge you for the channel when you did not need one.

Opened a PR that could be a fix for the issue on our side: MutinyWallet/mutiny-node#978

Thank you for submitting. I'll keep watching!

[SilverLenZ]

I make very SMALL amounts for profit with my transfers using Lightning so the $5.34 fee is large to me.

[benthecarman]

Sorry about that, we should fedimint support available to the public soon-ish and that'll never have channel fees

[SilverLenZ]

Well, at least the fee wasn't huge. But I'm scared of MutinyWallet now. The only reason I'm here is I maxed out Alby using Zeus wallet. I barely understand these channel maintenance lightning topics; so Mutiny shows me my channels clearer and at least I know if I'll get charged. lol

[SilverLenZ]

Should I just move on from here @benthecarman ?

I should expect the fee coming back, right?

[SilverLenZ]

Now, same day. None of my transfers are showing up and now I don't have the funds in my transactions list or my BALANCE! Looks like this Mutiny is a ship I'm being pulled down with?

[benthecarman]

Now, same day. None of my transfers are showing up and now I don't have the funds in my transactions list or my BALANCE! Looks like this Mutiny is a ship I'm being pulled down with?

You may just need to restore from seed, sounds like you opened a new wallet

[SilverLenZ]

I literally didn't do anything new. I sent a payment and all the payments in my list or older and now say "Unknown" next to them. Like what's this? UNPAID still after an hour?

[SilverLenZ]

Invoice on the Unpaid one. 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

[benthecarman]

This is a payment to robo sats, it is a hodl invoice where the payment doesn't settle immediately

[SilverLenZ]

grrr, but it deducted from my balance on MutinyWallet and DIDN'T PAY the invoice. After I get my funds out I'm off this platform

[SilverLenZ]

The funds came back into my wallet now? hmmm

[benthecarman]

You should read how robo sats works, this is how it works with every lightning wallet

[SilverLenZ]

Now it says I have 128,863 SATS OUTBOUND and 1092 SATS in reserve
I need to Pay 120,672 Sats and I get a Not enough funds error in Mutiny.
wow. I'm so tired. I wish I could just use Alby and Zeus again.

[SilverLenZ]

I loaded $11 more into account to fix the OUTBOUND sats lie

[benthecarman]

self-custodial lightning has a lot of caveats that are different than custodial lightning, you can read our FAQ here

https://blog.mutinywallet.com/mutiny-wallet-faq/

[SilverLenZ]

I did the math so that's good I needed to send 120672 Sats and I know it holds 1% in reserve
So when I did the math 120672-1206.72=119465.28
So I was just short of 120k sats.
BUT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW AFTER I ADDED $5 more in Sats is still failed for insufficient funds AND then I had to add another $6 to get it to cooperate.

[benthecarman]

You also need to be able the on chain fees if the channel were to close. Being able to spend your exact balance isn't really feasible in lightning

[SilverLenZ]

How do I understand the balance that I need to have for closing the channel? It's not displayed in the OUT and INbound Lightning Channels view?

[AnthonyRonning]

I sent this information to the LSP to look into it further and what happened in regards to the channel and fee.