Windows 11 24H2 gui closing and wmic deprecation

[djsvi]

I note various mesh agent functions depend on wmic.exe.

Microsoft deprecated wmic.exe some time ago and won't enable it by default on Windows 11 24H2, so now seems like an opportune time to remove this dependency.

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/wmi-command-line-wmic-utility-deprecation-next-steps/ba-p/4039242

EDIT FROM @si458:
when running the meshagent on windows 11 24h2+ (or server 2025+) the GUI WONT RUN!

the fix is simply install WMIC add on (Settings App -> System -> Optional Features -> Add an optional feature)
then install meshagent
OR
try the new test agents, by copying them
from node_modules/meshcentral/agents/test_agents/*
to node_modules/meshcentral/agents/*
then restarting meshcentral,
then redownloading the meshagents
OR
install from the command line meshagent64-mygroup.exe -fullinstall

[si458]

this isnt easy and will be a big job!
as the wmic command is also embedded in the meshagent so it means we will have to build/release new agents!

in the mean time you can still enable the wmic again!
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/add-or-remove-wmic-command-feature-in-windows-11.5119/

[johnnyq]

Cross Link here for it affecting TacticalRMM use of Meshcentral
amidaware/tacticalrmm#1901

[si458]

we have started to sort this out! Ylianst/MeshAgent#254 (comment)
pushed a commit to meshagent which fixes the split error so at least u can now run the agent!
but still quite a few places that contain wmic which needs replacing!

[si458]

i have an updated agent for people to test if they want!
Its fully compiled with all the bug fixes from the meshagent repo including replacing wmic with the win-wmi we already had and mouse cursor blinking

1. download zip and extract zip MeshService64.exe.zip
2. backup the MeshService64.exe from inside node_modules/meshcentral/agents/ (or rename to something else)
3. place the new MeshService64.exe back in node_modules/meshcentral/agents/
4. stop meshcentral
5. IMPORTANT: DISABLE AUTO AGENT UPDATE OTHERWISE ALL AGENTS WILL GET AUTO UPDATED!!!
   set "noAgentUpdate": 1 inside of settings in your config.json
6. start meshcentral
7. IMPORTANT: LET MESHCENTRAL RESIGN/RECUSTOMISE THE SINGLE FILE!
8. skip this step if you dont code-sign yourself
   copy the new signed agent from inside signed-agents located inside of meshcentral-data to your machine,
   code-sign the exe however you want/do it,
   put the new code-signed exe back into agents replacing the old MeshService64.exe
   (backing up the old code-signed version of yours first),
   restart meshcentral
9. pick a device and go into its Console tab and run agentupdate
10. you should see the device go offline and then back online, and in theory the date/version will of changed!

edit: you can also them download a new meshagent from the 'addagent' tab and it should work on 24h2 machines for install/run

[tobias9931]

Hello @si458 ,

I am very happy that MeshCentral is still being worked on so intensively, that new functions are constantly being added and that core functions are also being updated here in particular 😊
Very good job! ❤️

A quick question:
What are your plans for when the new agents without WMIC will become standard?

Best regards

[Juraszka]

For temporarily workaround installation problem for 24h2, new downloaded agent could check if wmic is installed, and if it is not, execute the command: DISM /Online /Add-Capability /CapabilityName:WMIC~~~~​

[si458]

@Juraszka we have already removed the requirement for wmic in a new agent version,
these agents exist in agents/test_agents if you wanted to test them
you simply copy them from agents/test_agents/* to agents/* and restart meshcentral

[chdodier]

@si458 @Ylianst
Thank You so much for your greatworks guys
I have been using Meshcentral for 2 years now and it is a real gem.
I wish I had your dev skills to help you guys out but all I can do is test and report.... or ask for Improvements.
I have tested the new agent and it works on server 2025 fresh install and Windows 11 24H2 without wmic.

[sammyke007]

Any timeline when the new test agents will become default?

[si458]

just updating this issue for people, the new test_agents are included in the meshcentral release,
so you dont need to download my version anymore, do these steps below instead

1. backup the *.exe from inside node_modules/meshcentral/agents/ (or rename to something else)
2. move the new test agents from node_modules/meshcentral/test_agents/ to node_modules/meshcentral/agents/
3. stop meshcentral
4. IMPORTANT: DISABLE AUTO AGENT UPDATE OTHERWISE ALL AGENTS WILL GET AUTO UPDATED!!!
   set "noAgentUpdate": 1 inside of settings in your config.json
5. start meshcentral
6. IMPORTANT: LET MESHCENTRAL RESIGN/RECUSTOMISE THE SINGLE FILE!
7. skip this step if you dont code-sign yourself
   copy the new signed agent from inside signed-agents located inside of meshcentral-data to your machine,
   code-sign the exe however you want/do it,
   put the new code-signed exe back into agents replacing the old *.exe
   (backing up the old code-signed version of yours first),
   restart meshcentral
8. pick a device and go into its Console tab and run agentupdate
9. you should see the device go offline and then back online, and in theory the date/version will of changed!
   you can verify this in the Console tab, it showing the version number (top right) or typing info

you can also them download the new meshagent from the 'addagent' tab after you do the steps above
and it should work on 24h2 machines for install/run now as the agents dont require wmic anymore

EDIT: @sammyke007 will speak to @Ylianst and see when he thinks its OK to move the agents to being the default 👍

[sammyke007]

Tnx @si458. I'm running the dockered version of MeshCentral. Inside the container
@ /opt/meshcentral/meshcentral/agents/test_agents I have the 6 following .exe files:

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       4624488 Jan 26 19:11 MeshCmd.exe
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       4252264 Jan 26 19:11 MeshCmd64.exe
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       4310120 Jan 26 19:11 MeshCmdARM64.exe
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       3811840 Jan 26 19:11 MeshService.exe
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       3439616 Jan 26 19:11 MeshService64.exe
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       3497472 Jan 26 19:11 MeshServiceARM64.exe

Are these the correct ones?

[si458]

Yes that's the correct ones, and u move those files one level up as it where
Also remember if its docker, don't docker compose down/up!
Instead just restart the container!

[sammyke007]

Correct, otherwise I'll lose the changes 😅

[EagleDotNet]

this error with windwos server 2025

[si458]

@EagleDotNet plz read the thread and follow the steps in the first post about install wmic or the most recent post which explains about replacing the agent with the new agent which fixes this issue

[EagleDotNet]

@EagleDotNet plz read the thread and follow the steps in the first post about install wmic or the most recent post which explains about replacing the agent with the new agent which fixes this issue

I have read the whole topic, I am using Docker, I updated the container to the latest version 1.1.38 and I did not find a folder named "test_agents" appeared in the meshcenter files, so I downloaded the attached file in #6162 (comment) and added it manually and the problem still exists, regarding "wmic" should I install it on the client? Or on the server?

[si458]

@EagleDotNet in docker its slightly different because the container gets re-created over and over so it loses the agents
the best way to achieve it with docker is simply install the meshagent from the command line
run cmd as admin then meshagent64-mygroup.exe -fullinstall

but if you wanted to try the new agents the folder location is /opt/meshcentral/meshcentral/agents/test_agents/
and its INSIDE the container, also remember to STOP/START the container, DONT DOWN/UP!!!

[tobias9931]

EDIT: @sammyke007 will speak to @Ylianst and see when he thinks its OK to move the agents to being the default 👍

Is there anything new on this? @si458
When will the new agents become the standard agents?
The old agents are causing more and more support work.

[tigunia-martin]

FWIW, be aware that Defender is claiming the new agents are malware.

[DaanSelen]

What are the remaining points? What is the status?

[si458]

@DaanSelen just need to ask @Ylianst to move the test_agents to agents now 👍

[DaanSelen]

@DaanSelen just need to ask @Ylianst to move the test_agents to agents now 👍

Wow we already did it??? Damn! Nice!

[si458]

new agents have been released in 1.1.41 today! 🥳 https://github.com/Ylianst/MeshCentral/releases/tag/1.1.41

IF you dont use noagentupdate: 1, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents and then agents should auto-update

IF you use noagentupdate: 1, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents and then agents wont auto-update,
so you will need to manually update the agents using the console tab of each device and run agentupdate
or the batch option then "agent update"

IF you use a custom code-signing certifcate, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents but wont auto-update any agents
as it will detect you have custom agents in the agents folder in meshcentral-data
so make sure to copy the new self-signed agents from signed-agents to your local machine,
code-sign them however you do it,
then put the agents back into agents and restart meshcentral
then it will auto-update the agents OR you manually update using agentupdate whichever method you use!

[esgheorghe]

Yeah, Good News, thank you! Am 2025-03-06 09:33, schrieb Simon Smith:

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new agents have been released in 1.1.41 today! 🥳 https://github.com/Ylianst/MeshCentral/releases/tag/1.1.41 IF you dont use noagentupdate: 1, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents and then agents should auto-update IF you use noagentupdate: 1, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents and then agents wont auto-update, so you will need to manually update the agents using the console tab of each device and run agentupdate or the batch option then "agent update" if you use a custom code-signing certifcate, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents but wont auto-update as it will detect you have agents in the agents folder in meshcentral-data so make sure to copy the new agents from signed-agents to your local machine, code-sign them, then put the agents back into agents and restart meshcentral then it will auot-update or you manually update whichevery method you use! -- Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [1], or unsubscribe [2]. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> si458 left a comment (Ylianst/MeshCentral#6162) [1] new agents have been released in 1.1.41 today! 🥳 https://github.com/Ylianst/MeshCentral/releases/tag/1.1.41 IF you dont use noagentupdate: 1, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents and then agents should auto-update IF you use noagentupdate: 1, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents and then agents wont auto-update, so you will need to manually update the agents using the console tab of each device and run agentupdate or the batch option then "agent update" if you use a custom code-signing certifcate, meshcentral will re-sign the new agents but wont auto-update as it will detect you have agents in the agents folder in meshcentral-data so make sure to copy the new agents from signed-agents to your local machine, code-sign them, then put the agents back into agents and restart meshcentral then it will auot-update or you manually update whichevery method you use! -- Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [1], or unsubscribe [2]. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>