15 Object Naming Lists: A Collaborative Review

[alzkuc]

Hi @AnnikaTjuka, @FredericBlum, @xrotwang, @MuffinLinwist!

@LinguList and I have decided that the best approach is to extract all concepts from the 15 newly mapped object naming datasets and review them in batches collaboratively. We would be very grateful if each of you could help us review a portion of the final list. Please let us know by giving a thumbs-up here, whether you can help, and I will assign you a manageable section of the prepared Google Sheet.

Thank you so much in advance! Your feedback and expertise are greatly appreciated.

If you have any additional comments or questions, please leave them here or contact me via GitHub or Mattermost.

[FredericBlum]

What is the timeline for this? I could probably only help in the week of November 25th, because I have some obligatory classes to attend in the next few weeks which will leave me with few time for other things.

[alzkuc]

What is the timeline for this? I could probably only help in the week of November 25th, because I have some obligatory classes to attend in the next few weeks which will leave me with few time for other things.

Thank you for your reply! I think we will go ahead and start with the first reviews already next week, but the last week of November definitely works too and would be a big help! If you can take a look then, I would be happy to send you a portion of the list to review. 😊

[alzkuc]

Hi all! Thank you for the first reviews. Here are some points that came up:

Suggestion 1: Both @LinguList and @AnnikaTjuka agree (and so do I) that scarf in the lists refers specifically to a SCARF and not SCARF OR TURBAN. However, we currently do not have a concept set SCARF. Would you like to create a new one - SCARF - or should we just delete the mapping for now? Scarf appears in 5/15 lists and refers to the scarf worn in winter.

Suggestion 2: Then we have the example of bottle vs small bottle. I would personally stick to mapping bottle (boca) to BOTTLE and leaving small bottle unmapped, as it refers to a very specific type of bottle—the author there means a baby bottle with small bottle.

Suggestion 3: SWORD vs BROAD SWORD: Both these terms were provided by the author as English translations in a Mandarin Chinese naming list. The authors explicitly distinguish between 刀 (translated as broad sword) and 剑 (sword). Mattis suggested mapping BROAD SWORD to SWORD as well. What do the others think? (pictures attached for reference)

Question: What about the !NEWCONCEPTs, should we add some of them or not for now? :-)

Thank you for your thoughts and time!

[alzkuc]

Two new points raised:
Suggestion 4: FOOTBALL (a specific type of ball, not the sport) comes up in many of the lists. Should we add it as well?
Suggestion 5: HATCHET as a new concept (several existing lists contain it, either as mapped to AXE or unmapped)?

[LinguList]

刀 (translated as broad sword) is also knife, dagger, and the like. 剑 (sword) is at least in our translations very like a sword.

[LinguList]

If to amp only one, the one that is 剑 (sword)

[LinguList]

What is hatchet in German? And for Football, this is fine by me, there may be more lists in simlex and multisimlex, etc.

[alzkuc]

What is hatchet in German? And for Football, this is fine by me, there may be more lists in simlex and multisimlex, etc.

Handbeil, if I am not mistaken.

[alzkuc]

What is hatchet in German? And for Football, this is fine by me, there may be more lists in simlex and multisimlex, etc.

okay! yes, it comes up in multiple existing ones.

[AnnikaTjuka]

Suggestion 1: SCARF

I'd add the new concept SCARF. There are a few other lists where this concept could be applied.

Suggestion 2: BOTTLE

I agree.

Suggestion 3: SWORD vs BROAD SWORD

I'd go with @LinguList suggestion.

Question: What about the !NEWCONCEPTs, should we add some of them or not for now? :-)

I left some comments on the new concepts, but in general, I'm fine with adding them.

Suggestion 4: FOOTBALL

I'm a bit worried that we cannot distinguish whether it's the game or the ball in other lists. So I wouldn't integrate it for now.

Suggestion 5: HATCHET as a new concept (several existing lists contain it, either as mapped to AXE or unmapped)?

Isn't a hatchet a small axe?

[LinguList]

Judging from the matches for football, we can say: we have an overarching concept FOOTBALL (GAME OR OBJECT) plus then the FOOTBALL (BALL) and FOOTBALL (GAME) ? It's a bit tedious to map like this, but would avoid the problems.

[alzkuc]

Judging from the matches for football, we can say: we have an overarching concept FOOTBALL (GAME OR OBJECT) plus then the FOOTBALL (BALL) and FOOTBALL (GAME) ? It's a bit tedious to map like this, but would avoid the problems.

I think this is a good suggestion. I found football in 11 existing lists - I am happy to check what is meant - if possible - and map it accordingly.

[AnnikaTjuka]

Okay, that sounds good!