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Last Monday, Ellen Chisa and Paul Biggar unveiled [Dark](https://darklang.com), a new web-based programming environment for creating backend web services. In these conversations, first with Ellen and then with Paul, we discuss how they met, conceived of the idea, iterated on the product, and what their long-term vision is for the product.
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Last Monday, Ellen Chisa and Paul Biggar unveiled [Dark](https://darklang.com), a new web-based programming environment for creating backend web services. In these conversations, first with Ellen and then with Paul, we discuss how they met, conceived of the idea, iterated on the product, and their long-term vision for Dark.
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