Quest: What type of toilets are available here?

[paulklie]

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: toilets:position
Question asked: What type of toilets are available here?

Checklist

Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

• 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
• 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
• 🐿️ Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary
• 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)
• 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)

Some seating positions cannot be used by certain people. For example:

• Urinals are not designed for AFAB people.
• Squatting toilets can cause issues for people with bad knees, or mobility issues.

Outdoor, urinal only, toilets are quite common in many larger european cities.

Surveying will require entering the toilet. Additionally, depending on local legalisation, it can be hard for women to check if urinals exist.Tthus I would suggest making it disabled by default, similarly to the other toilet quests.

Ideas for implementation

Element selection:

amenity=toilets
and !toilets:position
and !access=no

Proposed UI:

This could either use an ACheckboxGroupQuestForm or AItemsSelectQuestForm if the images are required for understanding. The options:

• Seated
• Squatting
• Urinal

[matkoniecz]

💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)

it seems to me that this would be a blocker

[paulklie]

it seems to me that this would be a blocker

What combination do you think would be very popular? Because, according to taginfo, currently the most popular answer (only seated) represents less than 30% of answers.

[mnalis]

according to taginfo, currently the most popular answer (only seated) represents less than 30% of answers.

Yeah, but taginfo mixes both rural Africa (which might be predominant in one type) and western Europe cities (which might be predominant in other).

Looking per-country is more telling (e.g. https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe:germany/keys/toilets:position#values) there is ~73% seated; urinal + ~22% seated; and I would expect that per-locality (e.g. per-city where mapper is likely to do most of their mapping) is even more uniform.

(And if Germany is similar to Croatia; I'd rather suspect that some portion of those seated is also actually seated;urinal, but people mapped only the most important single value).

That being said, those multiple-tagging might be good enough on itself (only 3/4 is the same), and remaining 5% might be OK for disabled-by-default quest, esp. as it it is useful information (e.g. when it does not have seated option), and one is unlikely to visit more than dozen toilets a day anyway - so its spamminess would not be a big problem.

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However, the bigger issue IMHO is that we should ask only on toilets which are micromapped, i.e. which have exactly one positive value for male, female, unisex -- as we should not ask the men to survey how women toilets look like (or vice versa).

But that would probably either fail "🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)" (just a guess; I have not crunched the numbers), or would require a prequel quest asking about who can use that toilet (or both).

[matkoniecz]

What combination do you think would be very popular?

In Poland 100% would be seated, for public toilets serving males urinal would be very typical.

Actually, that shows an extra problem: how woman is supposed to check is male section containing urinals or not?

[FloEdelmann]

Also seated;urinal is ambiguous: Does it mean seated toilets for women and only urinals for men, or both for men?