Code of Conduct violation #36604
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Shameful... I guess is time to boycat zed editor. |
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Very disappointed by what seemed to be an amazing team building something so thoughtfully. |
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Disappointing indeed. Free Palestine. |
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Zed's team is as guilty and complicit as Sequoia Capital/Shaun Maguire, they actively silence/ban pro-Palestinian voices and give a complete pass to Zionists who openly and actively spread pro-Genocide propaganda. I keep the receipts and backup all interactions and evidences so they can't make up excuses in the future. Zed openly sides with evil, that's what happens when one takes money from the Devil - it comes with strings attached. |
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This is pretty dissapointing. There are plenty of great VCs out there, so why choose Islamaphobic Sequoia Capital/Shaun Maguire? |
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Make no mistake - Zed's leaders are every bit as guilty and complicit as Sequoia Capital/Shaun Maguire, they actively silence/ban pro-Palestinian voices and give a complete pass to Zionists who openly and actively spread pro-Genocide propaganda. I keep the receipts of all interactions so they can't make up excuses in the future. |
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Very questionable decision by Zed if true, and I hope they will provide transparency/clarity and potentially rectify if they are taking money from Shaun Maguire. There is no place for doing business with bigotry. |
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Deleting Zed till this changes. thanks @pbiggar for highlighting it. |
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Zed's going on the boycott list until they dissociate from openly biggoted people. |
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In The Good Place, a brilliant show, there’s a great scene where we find out why people stopped getting into the "Good Place" after they died. Life used to be simple before: if you bought your wife a flower, it was a straightforward good deed. Now every action is tainted, because the CEO of the flower company employs child labor, cheats on his wife, and murders bees with pesticides. Ah, and he is a nazi. No, that’s not how it is at all. Nobody is obligated to give a damn. Not fighting isn’t the same as supporting, and that’s the biggest lie that has thoroughly fucked this world. It’s the exact opposite: only not giving a shit can still save it. It's not my fight and plz, stop antagonise ppl. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether the code is good or the software is useful. ZED is a great software. |
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Being willfully ignorant and not fighting is supporting with extra steps. If not supporting, then it's tolerating at the minimum—not that it's much better
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
https://social.treehouse.systems/@TheEvilSkeleton/114028626956670258 |
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All of you responding with harassment to this comment are violating the code of conduct while trying to enforce it. I've never seen such open hypocrisy in my life. |
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It’s a shame, I am such a fan of Zed industries, Richard and the gang. I hope things change. |
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Good thing I never used Zed and will never use Zed. So many ethical, human friendly code editors to choose from, never Zed |
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Name 3. It's a short list especially if you want something native and open source and full-featured |
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If you take the statements made by Shaun Maguire, replace Muslim/Islam with Jew/Judaism, how long do you think it will take them to fire him? The answer to that question will also answer your question. The double standards are STAGGERING. Yes, bad people exist everywhere, but, openly biggotted evil people have no place in any company and should be fired upon first offence. Sometimes people make mistakes - he however DOUBLED DOWN on his evil biggotted lanugage. |
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Not sure how far the rabbit hole goes here, but shall we step out of the pitchfork stance for a moment and evaluate Hoping to see the A sliver of the world is watching |
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I don't really care. An employee of a sponsor of a tool I use said mean things on twitter? This is like six degrees of Kevin Bacon at this point. |
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If he had said the same thing about Jews instead of Muslims he would’ve been fired in five seconds. If you’re OK with that that’s cool but that’s not the kind of world I wanna live in. |
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I don't understand. The relationship between Sequoia and Maguire is not employer-employee, so being "fired" is not possible. |
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Yeah I'm going back to Neovim, I don't need Zed, since they are taking VC money from the same people funding and supporting a genocide that is livestreamed daily! Free Palestine, and feed gaza and protect gaza and its people <3 Sincerely, |
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Thoughts on this fork? https://github.com/zedless-editor/zed |
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Yikes. I'll be uninstalling Zed. |
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that’s a funny way of saying that I don’t care about the terrorist state of Israel murdering 50,000 children and starving 1 million children right now and it’s all some old dead guys fault from decades ago right? |
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Learn history and the facts, and stop polluting this space. |
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I very much agree that you should learn history. I would even go as far as saying that you should learn from Israeli historians themselves. I promise you the more you learn the more you will be shocked at how brutal and evil destination is even if you learn directly from Israel, historians.. |
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I feel so disappointed. It feels like money won over a community. I'll change my mind when we have a sensible reply from the founders of Zed. Surprised even their team did not highlight this (maybe)? What should we move into if we're stopping the usage of Zed? Cursor or VS Code doesn't seem ethical either or am I wrong to think about them that way? |
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It's amazing to me how people can turn literally everything into another battle ground to attack Israel. I can't imagine Zed is making any political statement other than they would like to eat while developing something which we're all using for free. If there is anyone spreading Islamophobia it's the very people in this thread terrorizing honest devs into choosing between their paycheck and proclaiming death to Israel. The lies and propaganda are, frankly, insane. Many of the numbers quoted here is this thread are directly from Hamas, a terrorist organization. They're just false. Supporting Hamas is supporting death and hate. They are very up front about it. Here's an interview with the current leader of Hamas shortly after the terror attack on October 7: https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1mxgvh3/hamas_leader_well_repeat_october_7_again_and/ This is not a race war, it a religious war waged by zealots. If anyone is causing Islamophobia, it's these people who are killing in the name of Islam. Islam as a religion should denounce these people and live in peace. This is an existential war for Israel and what we're witnessing here in this very thread is yet another front of attack. I would just encourage the devs here. It sounds so heavy because it's propaganda. See through the veil and see that people love Zed and will continue to love Zed. No political stance required. Just keep on keeping on and block out the noise. If any of you decide you personally wish to engage with this conflict. Definitely take some time to study up. It's a long a very storied history that doesn't fit into the sound bytes you can see here. I'm more than happy to share resources to give context to what you're seeing. But don't feel any obligation. Ethically speaking, you have no obligations here. Any who say otherwise are just trying to Shanghai you into this conflict as another casualty they can blame on Israel. |
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Sorry to break it to you but people care about the products they use and pay for. We have a fundamental right to know how the products we use are funded and who they are supporting. This isn't about "battleground" it's about transparency. Claiming that accepting funding is a neutral act, just "to eat while developing," is a political statement in itself. You are stating that the source of money is irrelevant. Well let it me break it to you again but that money was not for free, it comes with MANY strings attached and we will never know because of NDAs. I guess it only matters when it happens to you. The notion that building technology exists in an ethical vacuum is one I believe is dangerous for our industry.Lastly, I will not address your political comments but you just told us that you are a zio-propagandist hasbara 2.0 |
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No, it isn't. It is basic moral philosophy.
It is. As a simple objective matter.
Zed receiving money from Sequoia Capital cannot possibly, even theoretically, cause any bad thing to happen to Palestinians — except perhaps for Palestinians feeling bad because they don't like the fact that Zed received money from Sequoia Capital. The burden of proof is on you; you have been speculating without cause.
Commentary like this is a blatant violation of the Code of Conduct. It does not matter what evidence you can put forward to evidence such a claim. It is a political attack, and the Code of Conduct is explicit that you may not do that. Address the argument, not the person. |
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You know zilch about moral philosophy. That's the pattern of brazen gaslighting you've engaged in consistently.
It isn't. You can literally be imprisoned depending on the source of your money. Your confidence in your lies does not make them magically true.
Another brazen gaslighting attempt of yours. They entered a business relationship and invested because they anticipate this arrangement to be profitable. Those profits will be used for their other israeli military ventures that produce arms or engage in mass surveillance of Palestinians.
Supporting mass-murder and Genocide is the most blatant violation of the Code of Conduct. You are lecturing others on the CoC while being the biggest offender. You are reminding people of the letter of the CoC while spitting on its spirit. |
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Can. We. Please. Report. This. Thread. And. Delete. It? |
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Yes, and I am asking you to leave instead of polluting this forum with Hamas propaganda. |
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I am with the small group of people who disagree with the entire premise of getting upset with a software company for taking money from another company that has a partner who is persona non grata. This is nonsense. We are talking about the company making Zed, a text editor. They are not all of a sudden supporting some cause or another, they are simply taking money to continue working on the editor. It doesn't have to be any bigger than this. |
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That's a pretty bold claim, to say I'm not being honest. What I'm saying is I care more about what Zed does with the money they get, and maybe even about what their values are as a company. Although their values and their vision has no bearing on how I choose to interact with their product. That's what it boils down to, for me: if someone whose values I fundamentally disagree with offers me funding for a project I am working on, and that funding does not impose that person's values on me, my team or my project, then I will take the money and use it for the good of the project. That person, whom I may disagree with, is, lo and behold, a human being, and they are just as flawed as I am. They also have some positive qualities, too, just like you or I or anyone else does. Maybe one such positive quality is having enough wisdom to fund what we all hope turns out to be a useful project. Also, it doesn't matter if an opinion is fringe or not. Doesn't make it wrong (or right). People should make up their own minds about whether an opinion is valid or not by its own merits, not because it's more or less popular. I fundamentally disagree with the purist view that we should deny anyone we find reprehensible the opportunity to do some good, even while they persist in doing other things which are not good. |
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I would even be happy to help people myself there! How? Dunno. Maybe have some of my cryptography classes recorded and edited and made available with somebody translating to Arabic. But definitely not through t4p, the rabid utterances of lostfutures make me lose any hope that the organization can be taken seriously. |
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That does appear to be the case. Unhinged hatred. I hadn't heard of them before this thread. Not a great first impression, that's for sure. |
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so no reply from Zed? |
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Ok, this is it, I am denouncing you for defamation. |
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At least have the intellectual honesty of quoting correctly! About 25% of the members of the organization voted, 75% abstained. 86% of those that voted said they think it is a genocide. This is 20% of the "International Association of Genocide Scholars." This is not a consensus. |
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@pbiggar Thank you. I used Zed before, was going to use again but now I read this. Please let us know more about other AI companies and their affiliations. |
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Why limit yourself to AI companies? Everybody takes money from everybody! I suggest, if you are intellectually honest, to stop using any product from Apple, Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Qualcomm, Samsung, Intel and IBM. They all have large presences in Israel and do not intend to boycott anything. I know several engineers at those companies and some even have been in combat in IDF's ranks or have served in support roles. Stop using any product that is tainted. This will make you feel much better. |
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As per the policy, you need to send the COC violations to [email protected]. Posting on GitHub discussion isn't a valid mechanism to report violations |
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Not hard at all. It would be hard if it was advertising points of view extraneous to software 👀 |
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What's shameful is that suddenly technical quality is secondary to politics on GitHub. You should send it to to admin to avoid misunderstanding and allow team to fix the problem. That would be professional. |
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Quoting from the CoC:
I sent this issue to the Code of Conduct email address ([email protected]) on September 13, and have not received a response. |
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They also didn't respond to any of the multiple emails I sent them, starting Aug 22, about the blatant Code of Conduct violations of your supporters in this thread. Most of it did eventually at least get hidden, though. At any rate, a FOSS project accepting funding from someone you don't think they should accept funding from, is clearly not a violation of that project's Code of Conduct. There's simply no reasonable logical basis for such a claim. The Code of Conduct says nothing about funding, and anyway its meaning is determined by the people accepting that funding. It is a core and fundamental principle of FOSS that the software is for everyone, even if you (or other users) think someone is "evil" or commits serious crimes. There is no exception carved out for this in the OSI definition of open source licenses, for example. "Everyone" means "everyone", full stop. But even if there were such an exclusion (again, there is not), that would be many degrees removed from the actual facts of this situation. You and your "Tech for Palestine" associates used this project's space to complain about politics that are completely immaterial to any technical aspect of the software. This is disrespectful and the project has no obligation to tolerate it. GitHub is not general-purpose social media. This Discussions space was provided as a support forum; using it to declare your intention not to use the product is entirely inappropriate. The appropriate place for your complaints is Bluesky etc. |
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"FOSS software is for everyone except when Zionists like me try to censor and get those banned who try to remind people that being an accessory to Genocide does not only violate CoC but human rights in general". I find it hilarious that Zionists can not debate a single issue without misrepresenting the facts and circumstances in the most deceptive manner possible. The issue was NEVER about excluding anyone, but reminding people that doing business with groups who actively aid and abet an active Genocide is a gross violation of the proclaimed values of the CoC. 
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In other words, it is completely irrelevant here. The test objectively fails on multiple fronts. Neither Maguire nor Sequoia Capital is "officially representing the community" by funding the project; nor are they bound to the Code of Conduct in the first place, as they are not participating in community spaces at all. The project leadership, by receiving funding from a third party, does not engage in any behaviour forbidden in the Code of Conduct. It does not abuse or attack anyone. Receiving money from someone who did something bad does not make you bad, and does not make you complicit in the bad act. Full stop. "The proclaimed values of the CoC" are completely compatible with "doing business with" anyone that project leadership chooses to do business with.
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I will use your post as opportunity to demonstrate what I've stated before about the Zionist modus operandi to always misrepresent the facts and circumstances in the most deceptive manner possible. Distortion 1:
At no point did I claim that CoC violation was committed by Maguire or Sequoia, that's your deliberate misrepresentation. Distortion 2:
The euphemisms won't be enough to serve as sufficient apologia to hide the issues which Paul the OP has listed:
The concept of "complicity" must be new to you. Why do you think there are so many sanctions on certain countries or groups? You know who else knows that? Microsoft. 
This claim of yours is insane:
Try receiving money from a sanctioned person or group, then when you are arrested you simply respond with your claim above, let's see how that goes for you. Your arguments are so shallow and disingenuous, such that no amount of repetition of those falsehoods will convince any person of sound mind. I've already debunked it above, but here some more elaboration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sanctions
This is pretty much the same deflection you've been regurgitating with no success. It's also quite ironic that you demand others to be nicer while you're actively engaging in Genocide denial, such lack of self-awareness is astonishing. That's exactly why the OP described it as: "How can anyone feel like the Code of Conduct means anything at all, when Sequoia is an investor? " 
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You gleefully mentioned how certain comments were hidden after you whined about them, that's the literal definition of censorship:
"I've reported them for offending my Zionist sensibilities and pushed them to exclude those human beings who have any decency so they engaged in censorship and exclusion for my pleasure, but such blatant censorship and exclusion is "objectively" not exclusionary similar to how slavery is freedom and war is peace" Distortion 4:
Making people aware that doing business with a group that actively aids and abets a Genocide is making a farce of the Code of Conduct is precisely what restores are healthy community. Your entire rhetoric tries to invert all that is good and noble. Your goal in this discussion has been in fact the exact opposite of what you're claiming the CoC to be about. You are persistently arguing hyper focused technicalities while hoping that people will lose themselves in details and thus miss the bigger picture in the same way that you do.
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I just hope you don't use any Apple device... Apple has three research and development centers in Israel, and has been accused of matching donations to the Israeli Defense Forces and settlements. It has also disabled real-time traffic information on Maps and Waze at Israel's request. 🙂 |
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Don't you have any education in history? I'm actually glad you brought that up, because the absolutely grim fact about Zionist history is that jewish people called for a boycott of Nazis when they were at a very weak and fragile state, such that a proper boycott would have been able to stop them before they gained traction. You know who broke the boycott? Zionists. 
Isn't that a spicy irony. History doesn't repeat itself, but it surely rhymes. Edit: forgot to add the source for the excerpt. P.S: Stop spamming emojis for your own comments, we can all see that it's you who is doing it 🤦♂️ |
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Stop trying to control how people act and think. I saturate my comments, because I find it funny{...and because I can}. I don't have time to hate, because I am very busy being happy 😘 |
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You are literally trying to control how people act and think by coming up with failed "Gotchas" that are only evidence of a poor education regarding your own history. That is no surprise however, since there is clearly a very consistent pattern with the pro-Genocide crowd and their lack of self-awareness. P.S: the emoji spam under your own comments combined with your incoherence has the appearance of mental instability, so you might want to reconsider how you present yourself. |
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Since we are playing riddles... you don't have a wife to argue with (or you're the wife in your relationship and you only live arguing), the salary is not enough for you...And you need vacation. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😘 |
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I asked on there Discord if there is a response from the Zed team on this topic. Very nice move... |
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they could've had just answered, but nah, they're showing characterless behavior. Hiding the face in sand like an ostrich won't help in their case. |
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Let's all boycott every piece of technology because somebody that works for a company that funds it partially - or somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody whose cleaning lady knows the sister of a person that knows somebody that works for that company - has a take that doesn't align with our own world views. I'm pretty sure that if you live in the fantasy that everything is black and white without any grey area, you'd be able to find something everywhere, and we'd all be drawing shapes in the sand with a stick at the end of it. People need to realise that sticking your feet out as far as you can in the hope somebody stubs your little toe so you can complain and proclaim your self-righteousness is no way to live, or live together. Zed's great. Keep it coming. |
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My guy :-D go wave a flag somewhere and call people Nazi's some more :-D I'm not getting in a little keyboard warrior argument with somebody that clearly makes it his fulltime job. I'm getting some work done, using a very nice editor to do it too, maybe you've heard of it ;-) |
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I did not expect anything else. The best arguments against Israel and its genocidal supporters is the behavior and rhetoric of their apologists themselves. No amount of reputational damage comes close to the damage you inflict on yourselves with your laughable behavior. Keep exposing yourselves. ❤️🙏 |
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Listen, it's clear you have your mind made up, and no arguments will get through to you. You're obviously one of those people that see a blue crayon and would die for your claim of it being yellow because a person you hate says it's blue and somebody you like says it's yellow. There's no reasoning with people like this. So this last response is not as much for you, as it is for anybody in this thread that does have a sense of rationality, and can see not all of ones eggs need or can be in one basket, and attitudes like yours lead to nothing but more division and we'll go backwards as a society because of it. You reverting to immediately calling people genocide supporters or deniers and even Nazi definitely shows that you're an extremist, for which there is no room in a space where professionals try to work together to improve tech. That's why I said what I said in my first post. It seems that you're one of those people whose main goal is to try to find offense anywhere so they can screech about it. That stands in stark contrast to the quote from Terence you plonked on your profile ("Homo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto"), cause you immediately revert to judgement and condemnation without understanding. Which is quite the opposite of the virtue you're trying to signal. Regarding "the word". For comparison: clear genocide according to its definition would be this https://panzifoundation.org/war-in-congo/ In all seriousness: nobody in their right mind condones what happens in Gaza, and has happened there for decades already. There's no "right" or "wrong" side there. Every side is 100% guilty of committing atrocities there. Long before 2023, and still to this day. There's no denying that. But that's the thing: literally nobody in this discussion thread and probably even people working at Zed or Sequoia are denying that. What you're missing is that this is a discussion forum for a piece of technology, and you're making it your little crusade to condemn everybody that doesn't hold the exact same opinion as you have. Yes, Zed is partially sponsored by a company that has a person on board that has a certain opinion on this whole conflict. You don't agree with that opinion and his behaviour. That's your right. Many people that actively work on Zed or use Zed won't agree with that person's opinion, or maybe they do. The only nuanced stance is that whatever is going on over there needs to stop. Everybody with some degree of morality has that opinion. The bottom line though, is that there's no reason to pick a Github discussion as your little playground to claim moral superiority and call people all kinds of things. That's what my "sticking out your feet" argument was about. Who screeches about genocide on a Github discussion thread? I've seen "Nazi" accusations in this thread and I'm called a genocide apologist, almost as if Hitler himself is sponsoring Zed development out of his own wallet and I'm applauding it. Which is quite the accusation to throw at somebody you don't even know, don't know what stances that person has either way about anything in life whatsoever. Stop patting yourself on the back, go touch some grass, and stop picking argument with people you don't even know for the sake of it, cause that's what you're doing. Your holier than thou attitude is not fooling anybody, and in terms of "reputational damage", it's probably good to look in the mirror there. I'll be using Zed far into the future. I see no reason not to. You do. That's fine. But to keep your own argument standing: if you actually want to be consistent and disassociate from companies that have anything to do with Shaun or Sequoia Capital (or with companies that have somebody on board whose opinions you don't like and find reprehensible), put your money where your mouth is and start with these: https://www.sequoiacap.com/our-companies/ Halfway down the list you MAY have the realization you'd probably need to live under a rock on your own for the rest of your life, if you had to keep that attitude consistent across the board, and your own hypocrisy becomes clear to you. Next time you want to accuse people of condoning systematic and targeted mass murder, use both brain cells. |
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You've made no arguments so you wouldn't know. A bunch of absurd analogies to stop people from boycotting don't amount to a proper argument. The rest if your rant contains more rubbish analogies and projections, so not worth of an elaborate response.
There is the typical modus operandi of the average Zionist again - at no point did I call anyone a Nazi (unless you think that Zionist is a synonym for Nazi ). I simply gave you an education in history which you were clearly lacking, so you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. The rest of your rant is more vapid rhetoric that does not deserve an elaborate response.
Yes, there is a Genocide in Congo. How is that relevant to the Genocide that Israel is committing? Do you think that there can't be more than one Genocide at the same time? That's just weak whataboutism.
"Otros artículos de Bret L. Stephens" So your argument against the evidence of Genocide confirmed and backed up by israeli holocaust scholars, the UN, Amnesty International, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, is an article by Bret Stephens who is also a genocidal Zionist.
There are many zionist publications arguing that, like there are many nazi publications arguing that the holocaust didn't happen.
This is just shameless Zionist "both-sidesism". It's no different than saying "There was no "right" or "wrong" side in Nazi Germany", which only a Nazi would similarly claim. There is a right side, the morally correct side, it's that of the Palestinians who have been defending themselves against a century of Zionist colonialism. You know who else thought that there is a right side and a wrong side? David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of "Israel": 
This is just a regurgitation of your previous deflections that have been debunked a dozen times now. Go read its refutation above.
Well, clearly Zionists do not agree. It's nice that you recognize that Zionists and their allies have less then "some" degree of morality. And if everybody "with some degree of morality" would actually have that opinion as you claim, then their actions would follow suite. Most of those who you claim to have that opinion contradict that with their actions. One can not stop a Genocide by funding and supporting the perpetrators of that Genocide. Actions speak louder than words do.
More of the same regurgitated talking points that have been refuted ad nauseam by now. People will keep "screeching" about Genocide as long as it is ongoing, similar to how your people have been "screeching" about the holocaust since it happened.
You can keep using Zed until the money runs dry, it's not a charity in case you still haven't realized that. And the reason you see no reason to not use it, is the exact same reason why people have correctly identified you as a Genocide apologist.
We are putting our money where our mouth is and I've explained to you Genocide apologists the nuances of boycott, which you clearly didn't bother understanding so you can feel a false sense of satisfaction about your failed "Gotcha". A successful boycott is not 100% or nothing, that's the false dichotomy you want to present to mislead people. Any awareness that leads a person with decency to make principled decisions where it matters is what constitutes a successful boycott. I know these nuances are too complicated for you, but people of sound intellect will appreciate it. While I appreciate the non-sequiturs in your incoherent ramblings because it's amusing. A propos hypocrisy - you might want to consult IBM and co for help to understand some of these concepts that are too complicated for you, I've heard that they have great expertise in these matters. 
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Hi, the Code of Conduct says that the leaders pledge to make participation in our community a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of religion and ethnicity.
Zed just announced that they are taking money from Sequoia Capital, which has a partner, Shaun Maguire, who has recently been publicly and unapologetically Islamophobic. It seems hard to believe that the team didn't know about this, as it was covered in the New York Times. In addition, Maguire has been actively pro-occupation and genocide in Palestine for nearly 2 years.
How can anyone feel like the Code of Conduct means anything at all, when Sequoia is an investor? I'm shocked and surprised at the Zed team for this - I expected much better.
Which Sequoia partner invested? Do they have a board seat?
It's hard to see how anyone could feel good about using Zed after this.
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